WDPN31 PGTW 242100 MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI// SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TROPICAL DEPRESSION 08W (EIGHT) WARNING NR 008// RMKS/ 1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS. 2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS. SUMMARY: INITIAL POSITION: 17.0N 152.6E INITIAL INTENSITY: 30 KTS GEOGRAPHIC REFERENCE: 391 NM EAST OF ALAMAGAN MOVEMENT PAST 6 HOURS: EAST-NORTHEASTWARD AT 13 KTS SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT: 11 FEET SATELLITE ANALYSIS, INITIAL POSITION AND INTENSITY DISCUSSION: MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY (MSI) SHOWS THAT TROPICAL DEPRESSION 08W HAS BECOME MORE ELONGATED AND MAINTAINS A BROAD STRUCTURE MORE REMINISCENT OF A MONSOON GYRE THAN A TROPICAL CYCLONE, WITH A STRONG BELT OF WINDS AND CONVECTION ALONG THE SOUTHERN AND EASTERN PERIPHERY, BUT A LACK OF CONVECTION AND STRONG WINDS TO THE NORTH AND WEST. THE CIRCULATION ENVELOPE IS ENTANGLED WITH THE EASTERN PERIPHERY OF AN UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH, WITH ASSOCIATED DRY AIR ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE CIRCULATION. THE EXACT CENTER POSITION OF 08W IS DIFFICULT TO ASSESS DUE TO CLOUD COVER OBSCURATION AND A LACK OF RECENT SCATTEROMETER OR OTHER SURFACE WIND DATA. A 241743Z SSMIS MICROWAVE PASS SHOWED THAT ONE OR TWO SMALL-SCALE VORTICITY MAXIMA MAY EXIST WITHIN THE CURVED CONVECTIVE BAND, BUT THE EVIDENCE IS NOT CONCLUSIVE. FOR NOW, THE INITIAL POSITION IS SET BETWEEN THESE TWO POSSIBLE CENTER LOCATIONS WITH LOW CONFIDENCE. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS HELD AT 30 KT BASED ON NO CHANGE IN SATELLITE PRESENTATION THAT WOULD SUGGEST ANY REAL INTENSIFICATION IN RECENT HOURS, SUPPORTED BY OBJECTIVE SATELLITE-BASED INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN. INITIAL WIND RADII BASIS: NOT APPLICABLE (THERE ARE NO INITIAL WIND RADII). CURRENT STEERING MECHANISM: DEEP-LAYER RIDGE TO THE SOUTHEAST AGENCY DVORAK AND AUTOMATED FIXES: PGTW: NO CURRENT ESTIMATE CIMSS ADT: 41 KTS AT 241420Z FORECASTER ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT ENVIRONMENT: MARGINALLY FAVORABLE VWS: 0-5 KTS SST: 29-30 CELSIUS OUTFLOW: MODERATE EASTWARD OTHER FACTORS: DRY AIR MASS TO THE WEST ANALYSIS CONFIDENCE: INITIAL POSITION: LOW INITIAL INTENSITY: MEDIUM INITIAL WIND RADII: NOT APPLICABLE 3. FORECAST REASONING. SIGNIFICANT FORECAST CHANGES: DUE TO A PERSISTENT SHIFT IN MODEL GUIDANCE OVER THE PAST DAY, THE FORECAST TRACK HAS BEEN SHIFTED ABOUT 150 NM TO THE RIGHT (EAST) OF THE PREVIOUS ONE THROUGH 48 HOURS, AND OVER 200 NM FASTER THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE BEYOND 48 HOURS. 08W IS NOW EXPECTED TO MAKE ITS CLOSEST APPROACH TO HONSHU IN AROUND 72 HOURS. FORECAST DISCUSSION: TROPICAL DEPRESSION 08W IS STRUCTURED MORE LIKE A MONSOON GYRE THAN A TRUE TROPICAL CYCLONE AT THE MOMENT. THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE EMBEDDED SMALL-SCALE VORTICITY MAXIMA WITHIN THE LONG BELT OF STRONG WINDS AND DEEP CONVECTION ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BROAD CIRCULATION ENVELOPE. OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS, NUMERICAL MODEL GUIDANCE IS SPLIT ON WHETHER ONE OF THESE SMALLER EMBEDDED CIRCULATIONS WILL ANCHOR THE SYSTEM AND MAINTAIN A COMPACT TROPICAL CYCLONE STRUCTURE THAT INTENSIFIES, OR THE STRONG SOUTHERLY AND SOUTHEASTERLY ATMOSPHERIC CONVEYOR BELT WILL STRING OUT THE SYSTEM TO THE POINT OF DISSIPATION. FOR NOW, GIVEN THE LACK OF RECENT SURFACE WIND DATA TO ACCURATELY CHARACTERIZE THE STRUCTURE OF ANY EXISTING EMBEDDED CIRCULATIONS, THE JTWC FORECAST PRESUMES THAT A TROPICAL CYCLONE VORTEX WILL EXIST OVER THE NEXT 72 HOURS, RIDING UP THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF A DEEP-LAYER RIDGE EAST OF JAPAN, AND REMAINING ABOUT 200 NM EAST OF HONSHU. AFTER 72 HOURS, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT ALONG-TRACK SPREAD IN THE EXACT FORWARD SPEED OF 08W IN NUMERICAL MODEL GUIDANCE AS IT TURNS NORTHEASTWARD ALONG THE BAROCLINIC ZONE AND BECOMES EXTRATROPICAL AS IT IS ABSORBED INTO A FRONTAL BOUNDARY. ONLY MILD INTENSIFICATION TO 40 KT IS EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT DAY OR TWO DUE TO THE DISORGANIZED AND BROAD NATURE OF THE SYSTEM, BUT IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT FURTHER INTENSIFICATION COULD OCCUR IF A SMALLER-SCALE EMBEDDED CIRCULATION DEVELOPS AND FORMS AN INNER CORE WINDFIELD. OVERALL CONFIDENCE IN THE INTENSITY FORECAST IS LOWER THAN AVERAGE FOR THIS REASON. MODEL DISCUSSION: THE JTWC FORECAST TRACK IS CLOSE TO THE MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS. THE JTWC INTENSIFY FORECAST IS LOWER THAN THE MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS DUE TO THE DISORGANIZED NATURE OF THE SYSTEM WHICH IS NOT HANDLED WELL BY SOME MEMBERS OF THE CONSENSUS. FORECAST CONFIDENCE: TRACK 0 - 72 HR: MEDIUM TRACK 72-120 HR: LOW INTENSITY 0 - 72 HR: LOW INTENSITY 72-120 HR: MEDIUM// NNNN